The first bit o' fun comes in this exchange between Senator Wilfrid Moore (Lib, Stanhope St./South Shore (N.S.) and Rose Anne Dyson, Chair, Science for Peace (Media Working Group) (University of Toronto) and Vice President Media Relations, Council on Global Issues (Ryerson University.) The Chair is Senator David Angus (C, Alma (Quebec)
What's nice about this exchange is that it runs down exactly what the problem is with the wording of the bill -- how it invests a whole lot of power, with no oversight, in the personage of the Heritage Minister .
Senator Moore: The chair in his remarks at the beginning highlighted the section of the bill which is very important and has caused most of the interest from the cultural community. I will read that:Go Wilfrid!
The Minister of Canadian Heritage shall issue guidelines respecting the
circumstances under which the conditions in paragraphs (a) and (b) of the
definition of “Canadian film or video production certificate” in subsection (1) are satisfied.
This is the key part:
For greater certainty, these guidelines are not statutory instruments as defined in the Statutory Instruments Act.
That means those guidelines can be changed at any time – it is open-ended
authority – and they are not subject to review by Parliament, by the House of Commons or by the Senate of Canada. Do you think that is right?
Ms. Dyson: I am not a lawyer. I am sure there are many areas that government has to proceed in good faith from one administration to another. I am not sure what point you are raising.
Senator Moore: This was not in previous drafts. This is a new section. This is a new sentence. This is a very sweeping section. It is unassailable. I suppose you could go to court over it but otherwise Parliament does not have any say. I just thought that you, as a Canadian, may have a position on that.
Ms. Dyson: Parliament does not have a say but I thought the minister did.
Senator Moore: The minister only.
Ms. Dyson: The committee under the minister, established by the minister.
Senator Moore: No, the minister only has this authority.
Senator Tkachuk: The minister is responsible for Parliament.
Senator Moore: Read it. It says "these guidelines are not statutory instruments."We can move amendment.
The Chair: Clearly the response is also in order.
Senator Moore: Do you have an opinion on that?
The Chair: It is a legal issue.
Ms. Dyson: I would hope that Parliament and the minister would act in good faith in establishing a committee to develop guidelines, as she set out in her remarks, a copy of which I read early on. As far as the legal fine tuning, I would want to leave that to the discretion of her and her ministry.
Senator Moore: Do you think it is appropriate that one person has that authority?
Ms. Dyson: It is not one person.
Senator Moore: There is only one minister.
In a way, there's a perverse part of me that wishes for the passage of this bill, and through some funhouse weirdness, the rise of a Government with a Gay Richard Dawkins-like dude as Heritage Minister, who will pull funding for anything with a religious, or, um, breeder agenda.
I mean, I think that would be horrible for freedom of expression, and a terrible overreach. But man it would serve em right, wouldn't it?
There was another bit of comedy a minute later when Dyson showed her deep understanding of the issues, when Moore quoted from the Globe & Mail article quoting Sarah Polley on the issue.
Dyson replied that Polley was American -- and had to be corrected on the point by Moore. She's "Canadian all the way," he said.
Heh heh.
The next exchange is between two Senators -- Tommy Banks (Alberta) and Michael Meighen (C - St. Marys), in a question to the woman representing REAL Women of Canada (I leave it to you to discover the agenda of her delightful group.)
Senator Banks: I have two short questions. The first is to Ms. Watts. YouShe didn't. She dodged the question. Which is typical. Every idiot troll who bleats about the wasteful support of the cultural sector -- especially when you talk tax policy -- is probably employed in some industry receiving its own share of support. I know economics is hard. That's why, generally, one tries to actually inform oneself before you crack off on a subject.
mentioned your view that film producers ought to be able to stand on their own two feet like other Canadian industries. Can you give me an example of a Canadian industrial sector that does not receive public support?
Senator Meighen: How about musicians?
Senator Banks: Musicians get a lot of support. So does the oil industry and themanufacturing industry. Every aspect of Canadian industry receives public support of one kind or another, farmers, fishermen, whatever. Our society is built in terms of its industrial aspect largely on the fact that there is public support. I wonder if you know of an exception.
A 50 000 person industry is at stake here. Hey Calgary, how bout we pull the support for your construction industry -- or the oil biz. Yup. That'd go over well, hey?
Senator Banks then got Dyson to agree, reluctantly, that guidelines set for tax credits before the fact might be better than leaving it to the end of the process.
Next, here's an excerpt from the presentation by Ms. Noa Mendelsohn Aviv, Director, Freedom of Expression Project, Canadian Civil Liberties Association:
What if I asked you to give me a cheque for a good cause, and I assured you that
even though you had not filled in the amount, I will not take more than needed. You
would have some good questions for me. You would ask: "What do you mean by a
good cause? "How much exactly will I be withdrawing? "Who gets to decide the
questions anyway?" How can you trust me or my affiliates not to take more than we
agreed upon or more than we need?" Bill C-10 and the provision we are talking is that
blank cheque that the government is asking you to sign. If this honourable house signs
off on it as it is and the bill becomes law, it would allow the government to take away
tax credits from any production that contravenes public policy, whatever that means.
This bill could give the government almost unlimited power to decide which films they
think are bad for the Canadian people, whether it is material they do not like or even
material that denigrates the government and its actions, so long as they can make out
that the films are against public policy. While the courts might not ultimately allow
this, they might even strike down the whole section for vagueness, the question before
this committee is: How much unlimited power are you willing to give the government
to suppress our cherished and vital freedoms? The government has reassured us, and
the bill states, that there would need to be guidelines. The government has said that
they will consult industry and restrict the scope of this power to certain limited
categories. Even if we can trust this government implicitly, how can we trust its
successors. The government might consult with the film industry and might even
consult with the public and civil liberties organizations, although they have not said
that they will. They might make limited guidelines, but they might change their minds
or they might change the guidelines; and they might do all of that tomorrow, if they
choose to do so. That is the chief problem with this bill and, in a democracy, "trust us,"
is just not an answer.
After the presentations by Ms. Mendelsohn Aviv and Mark Leiren-Young (Producer, Director, representing the Playwright's Guild of Canada, Senator George Baker (Lib, Newfoundland and Labrador) managed to contextualize in one statement, all of the frustration that people in Canada's battered cultural sector have been feeling for months on this issue.
Senator Baker: I will first congratulate the witnesses. Each witness who
presented made reference to the fact that, in our democracy in Canada, in the House of Commons, not one member of the elected members referenced this new law when speeches were given at second reading, at third reading, report stage or in the committee. None of the people affected by the legislation were asked to appear as witnesses, which is a part of our democracy parliamentary process. Not one of you were asked to appear.
It is an extraordinary event to see a bill passed in this manner. If this section ever goes to the courts – which it undoubtedly will – it will cause issue. Your organization intervenes in practically every case that has to do with matters such as this. I congratulate you for the marvellous work you have done. It is an extraordinary situation that no one Parliament knew that this was being passed and two political parties are asking for a second chance because they did not know what they were voting for.
Do you think, based on the principle that the NDP and the Bloc have admitted publicly they did not know what they were voting for, it should be returned to the House of Commons?
Mr. Leiren-Young: Absolutely.
Ms. Mendelsohn Aviv: For that and many other reasons it should be returned to the House of Commons.
The Presentations continue today -- including an appearance by the Writers Guild of Canada and Americ...sorry...Canadian writer/actor/director Sarah Polley.


