Monday, December 4, 2006

Requiem for a Stargate

Have you ever discussed your opinion of Sci-Fi's Stargate SG-1 or Atlantis? Those two shows were supposed to be bigger than Star Trek at one time. Both are filmed in Vancouver and employ many Canadian actors. I am really interested in your take on the whole thing and the business side of things. After celebrating ten years of the show, Sci-Fi decided to pull the plug and not renew the series. How nasty is that? Yes, I know it's a business, but the timing really sucked. What is your opinion?
I might have alluded to it in the past, but I don't know if I ever came at it head on. I always really appreciated Stargate SG-1 because I thought it was well-executed and it knew exactly what it was. I haven't watched it too much since Ben Browder took over, but one of the things I think it had going for it was its sense of humor. The way Richard Dean Anderson delivered his quips, well...they were funny lines delivered well, and elevated even further by the performance.

I also think that Stargate transcended the film it was based on pretty quickly. It was always, like Buffy, a much richer television idea than a movie idea. There were so many stories to tell in that world.

Stargate was also a very important show in the realm of Canadian Content. Once upon a time, there were lots of shows like Stargate shot in Canada. But most of them had writing staffs that were filled entirely out of L.A. In some cases, by Canadian expats, so they got the full cancon credits, but if you actually lived in Toronto or Vancouver where the show was shot, you were screwed.

Stargate employed a lot of Canadians not just below the line, but above it. It's a show with a pretty decent budget that gave many Canuck writers a chance to move up. I know a couple of people who broke on Stargate, and the main showrunner there for several years has been Canadian. The spinoff, Atlantis, continues that tradition.

The shows were fun. Things blew up, you were entertained. Distribution of the show was spotty in Canada, so I really kind of discovered it on DVD. If you think Corner Gas gets no credit, well, Stargate's even in worse shape on that score. But screw those haters. It's made a lot of writers a lot of money, and trained them, too. So it's done the hell of a lot more for our industry than many of the other shows the cultural snobs will point to as "telling our stories."

And as for genre stuff, well let's just say that in my years at the Canadian Sci-Fi Channel, Space, I saw a LOT of bad shows that gave me a headache and made me think the future of Sci-fi TV was mired in terrible schlock. Compared to a lot of that, Stargate was like a sip of Fiji water.

And, I hate to say this, but ten years for Stargate? That's beyond awesome as far as a long run goes. It's almost inconceivable. Stargate did really well in syndication around the world, even after that market mostly dried up, and that's what kept it going all those years.

But after ten years, I can't really see Sci-Fi as the bad guy here. They're the ones who stepped in when the original network was going to drop it. They kept it going longer than anyone thought they would. From a business standpoint, after that long you're simply going to be risking running out of story areas or repeating yourself (How badly did Star Trek suck at the end, after repeating itself on fumes through about two series?) Not to mention the fact that your cast is going to demand more money and start to be more expensive...you're going to have to train new writers, new showrunners because your other talent is going to get antsy...and then there's the syndication package itself. If you have enough episodes for five days a week strip syndication, you're going to reach that magic tipping point where it's not worth making more, because you won't make enough back in adding value to the syndie or DVD packages to make up for the investment.

I find it hard to accept that a show that survived cast changes, and ran 10 seasons without a noticeable drop in quality has somehow been hard done by.

I'm tremendously grateful for Stargate SG-1, even though I never made a dime off it. Because I know I'll probably be working someday soon with writers, actors, and crew who cut their teeth on that show. They were trained right, they made a great contribution to the Canadian industry, and they did it all without once being celebrated at home. How very, very Canadian.

9 comments:

wcdixon said...

Bang on on all counts here Denis. I had the priviledge of working with Robert Cooper and Damien Kindler, and seeing Brad Wright in action (on the page, in the office, and at the golf course) and they are all talented pros deserving of all the money and any accolades they received (Rob and Brad definitely get 'golden boy' status). And they're all Canucks, through and through. Except for a few execs and actors, cast and crew 100% Canadian.

I do remember some grumbling years back that they never really got recognized by the Canadian industry - whether it was respect or even Gemini nominations... but they got paid like real staffers and showrunners, and know they had a great run.

As for ten years, hell...I remember them saying they were shocked when they got Season 6 (I think that was when SciFi scooped them up from Showtime). And last I heard the work will still continue in the form of straight to DVD movies.

And they still have Stargate: Atlantis to run and maintain. Believe me, I don't think anyone is complaining.

How very Canadian indeed.

Anonymous said...

Wonderful view of Stargate. I think that the only thing that would have made it better would have been to allow some of the very talented fans pitch story ideas. I understand the problem with legal issues, etc. However, if there had been a way to make that happen, the fans would have benefited by fresh writing and possible new professional writers for the show. Just a thought.

And yes, I think the people you named, wcdixon, are amazingly talented people. I hope, that one day, I will come close to that standard.

Good Dog said...

Ah, Stargate. Much as fans bitch about The SciFi Channel for ditching the likes of Farscape - which had got so convoluted there was no way it could attract new fans as it diappeared further up its own fundament year after year - it should be congratulated for rescuing Stargate from Showtime.

Watching some off the first series, found the stories were a little bit gouda. At the time I was writing for a website and having to research TV shows of the 1960s and 1970s. Noticed some of the early SG episode writers names had cropped up in my research on shows like Fantastic Journey and Logan's Run which is probably why they were a bit iffy. Still, if you can sell more or less the same story twice...

By the time I came back to watching it the characters had developed nicely. Ten years is pretty good going. Good number. And if they kept it going, and Atlantis ticking along as well, stories would have that Star Trek staleness to them eventually. The smell of old socks. With severed feet still inside them.

Shame to some degree that Michael Shanks came back after his year or so away. Only because during his absense some of the magazines here in the UK used to print various forum messages from fans who wanted him back on screen where they thought he belonged. Little bit on the extreme side at times. But a hoot to read.

wcdixon said...

Quick fix: it's Damian Kindler, not Damien (sorry bud)

Anonymous said...

I'm in 100 percent agreement with DMc and Dix. Great show, great cast & crew, ten great years that is practically unheard of in Canadian television.

I know for certain that I will be working with some of those people in the near future. I'm working with some of them now, actually, on my TV series (yes, Jeezus, it's still in effing development hell!).

KJC (glad to see you here, Arctic Goddess)

Anonymous said...

I found your blog by a routine Stargate search that I do. I am but a lowly Stargate fan, (both SG-1 and Atlantis) so I hope you don't mind my two cents.
I, and a great many others, hold Skiffy responsible for the untimely, nay premature, demise of SG-1 since they own sole rights to air it. MGM did approve two movies (the only way around Skiffy's choke-hold), but as someone said previously, I think it is a story better told in series, than movie.
I love that it was made in Canada, and that it lasted ten years. I hope that Atlantis continues for another ten years. With RDA getting involved again, and the cross-over of Amanda Tapping I think it has even more potential than ever.
It doesn't hurt that David Hewlett is incredibly hilarious, with and without script.

Anonymous said...

There's no such thing as a lowly fan.
And while I understand that when you're a really big fan of something, you can never get enough, I think there comes a limit when you can't just blame the big bad suits.

I lied when I said I hadn't seen Stargate since RDA left. I actually did catch an episode on a flight back a couple weeks ago. And I was shocked by how much they've...grown the world. But in growing the world, I kind of think they've widened it to be like other sci fi and lost some of what made Stargate special. There are lots of business reasons to end a series after ten years (and remember, no precedent about how to handle a 10 year old SF franchise.)

But considering the fact that there is a spinoff, and there will be movies...I think there comes a point where you do, sadly, have to just take the bricks from fans like you, who won't be happy with anything other than the show going on and on.

That's not to denigrate or belittle your enthusiasm. it's the very reason why the show got ten years. It's amazing.

But...

the show did get ten years.


Six Feet Under got five, The Sopranos six, Mary Tyler More seven, TNG seven, Deadwood three, West Wing seven, Star Trek 3, X Files 8.

10? Pretty awesome.

Anonymous said...

I love Stargate - it's good, solid, well-constructed SF. Some people look down on it for that. I don't.

As you say, it's never going to get the love that Galactica or Heroes will, but it's a solid, craftsmanlike (crafty?) show, with enjoyable storytelling.

And that's something I've got a lot of time for.

Anonymous said...

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