Monday, May 10, 2010

The "Copyfight" Reaches Epistemic Closure

THERE ARE MANY, many arguments you can make about the societal benefits of limiting the terms of copyright.

Unfortunately, you won't find many of them in the comments section on Michael Geist's site.

Geist has staked out his territory -- as an academic and law professor, he believes in an expansion for fair use/fair dealing and frowns upon mechanisms such as digital locks that prevent people from using purchased content the way they want.  Through newspaper columns, consistent advocacy on the issue, and assiduous courting of so-called "copyleft"ists, "copyfighters," and other creatively-monikered folk, he's become the de facto clearinghouse for a so-called "consumer-focused" view of copyright reform.

As I've argued previously here, and privately in friendly emails with Geist himself, what's consistently missing from his site (and from the points of view of his commenters) is any realistic representation from the creators of artistic works.

See it's quite easy to rail against copyright when the enemy is a huge multigloobinial copomoration breathing fire out its greasy lawyer-tusks, but wee people have a dog in the hunt too when it comes to protecting their intellectual property.

Not that you'd know it from Geist's site.

Argue politely or otherwise that the content creator's opinion is a little light on the ground, and you're very quickly met with rhetoric & indifference, ranging to outright hostility.   In some cases, you're lumped in with the corporate weasels because they're the most fun to fight.  (The blowback from suing customers is the single greatest mistake made in this area in recent years. It's emboldened the immoral, and given fire to the muddleheaded. It's like a layer of volcanic ash-gunk that covers anyone who tries to argue the creator's side.)

Otherwise, you're treated to a lovely, shopworn, half-assed screed on the "you can't stop the ocean" style argument about making money in the new world.  (Seriously, hands up anybody who's been hearing this argument since before the last dot.com bust?) 

There's nothing quite like a lecture on economic models given by people who don't seem to really grasp how it works, and who don't realize that arguing theoretics to someone with a concrete, measurable and immediate economic interest is a bit insensitive at best, and monstrous at worst.  It's especially welcoming when you spend a whole lot of your daily life discussing monetization with other groups, seeing presentations from Comscore, interacting with people working to monetize online efforts everyday. The newsflash, of course, is that nobody's figured it out yet. Not Jill, not The New York Times. We're all still waiting for that 9-year old girl in Passaic, N.J. to show us the way.  (Pick it up, there, Heidi. We're dyin' out here.)

In the meantime, one is supposed to put up with people who argue with a straight face that the baby & the bathwater must be thrown out. Because ... well ... um... because.

I didn't expect a whole lot of sympathy or a whole lot of uptake-taking on the Geist droids. What did strike me, though, is that in the lobs of arguments I've heard a hundred times before, nobody asked a question.  Nobody.  Nobody asked for a clarification about how TV is financed, or maybe how the "tour and merchandising" model of artist recoupment doesn't work across all forms.  See,  in the closed circle of "copyfight debate" they know how artists have it wrong, how corporations have it wrong, and the way forward is already completely decided.

When the copyright town hall chugged into Toronto last year, there was the predictable over-representation from the recorded music industry (the guys you love to hate) defending a business model that nobody outside of a record company would even dream of sticking up for anymore.
 Their arguments, hiding sins of excess from an industry that took exploitation of talent and practically forged a whole separate art form out of it -- screwitecture, let's call it...such are the documented excesses of the record industry that we shant go into them here.  

The fact that arguing for copyright for content creators involves sitting at the table with these guys is kind of like having to put up with pervy Uncle Eddie at the family wedding.  You hold your breath and try not to look as embarrassed as you really are inside.  (And you keep your ass out of reach of his freaky hands.)

But aside from the majors, there were some thoughtful contributions from creator groups -- and some truly passionate representations from artists & creators themselves.

That night, both before & after the town all, the brief chats I had with artists & creators mirrored  each and every conversation I've had with somebody who makes things for a living.   I'm always amazed by the thoughtful, measured attempt to wrestle with creator rights versus consumer good.  Most are unhappy with the current law, thinking it does too little to protect in some areas and too much to restrict in others.  There is no uniformity in boundaries or solution, but there is always a heartfelt, honest attempt to grapple with how to expand consumer rights in the way the digital world practically demands, without losing the thread that allows for fair renumeration.

When it came to the so-called copyfight side, however, we were treated to a few people arguing flat out in favour of piracy and a couple of university students, stumbling, ill-informed, unsure, arguing something that they felt in their heart but couldn't articulate clearly.  The failure was easy to understand. This was the real world, not the safe harbours of copyfight central, where the tiny demographic slice of internet people all agree.  They weren't playing to their closed epistemic circle.  Must have been scary.

You see the shallowness of understanding of the creator side in the response to organizations' like the WGC's position on collective licensing.  Based on already running, successful collection societies that are running in Europe to compensate rights holders for things like PVR use, timeshifting, tv rebroadcasting and such, the WGC proposes that one solution be a levy system. They're quick to jump on the "levy" part and scream how it's unfair, will never work, etc, but miss the second part of it, where the WGC suggests that now-illegal uses be made legal in exchange.

See, that's negotiation.  You give something up, you get something.

But even when you take out the pirates who don't think you should pay for anything, the bulk of copyfans in Geist Nation still approach the idea of negotiating a new copyright law as...say it with me, now:

"Gimme."

Even Geist's vaunted expansion in fair-dealing for academic use goes against the current grain.  Starting from "it should be free" goes against what's in place now with academic copying for textbooks & other materials.  If the cost is too onerous and does restrict legitimate research use, then obviously that needs to be looked at.   But it's a measure of the exclusion of the artist from Geist's roundtable that it seems to be an article of faith that "free" must be the default.  Well, uh... huh? Why?  Are Profs going to lecture for free now, too?  What about students. When you get those degrees & jobs are you gonna go work for free?

There's so much I wish for for consumers in a copyright bill.  I think terms of 75 years for copyright is ridiculous. I think that parody & satire should be codified so that Disney, or me, or anyone can't order a YouTube video removed through copyright law as a cudgel and censorious act to quash a video that makes a valid, socially desirable criticism.  Or even a wicked parody.  I want recognition of mashup art & I want consumers who pay for content to be able to use that content and view it on whichever device they want.

All these are points of negotiation, but I do have to say that I'm far less passionate about pushing them forward than I otherwise might have been because I know there is a significant constituency that believes I should have no rights over my creations at all.  A constituency that wants to speak for me, and then dismiss my voice as "not relevant to where digital culture is going." 

Finally, to those of us who have a longer-than-undergrad view of changing culture, one should remember and take the lesson of the 'original mashup' -- the audio sample.

There was a fierce battle at the beginning of the hiphop era over sampling.  Copyright holders sued to remove & ban songs that used unauthorized samples.   The law was used as a cudgel, sometimes with the blessing of the original artist, sometimes not.  The thought was that the sample devalued the original work.  People who wanted to use samples argued that it was new art, that it deserved to be heard.  Suggestions were made about licensing samples, making the whole thing legal -- and for a while there was squawking over that, too.  It would be too hard to decide the value. Who would police it?  Is it a good idea?

The point is, it got worked out.  Maybe artists couldn't use as many samples as they wanted, but the culture changed & absorbed the change, and everybody learned how to deal with it.

The bad road we started down in the digital realm is that the first responders -- the canary in the coal mine -- was the music industry. And they responded badly, first by denying there was a problem for too long, and then being talked into a strategy where suing your customers and trying intimidation was the answer.  It wasn't.  We lost a lot of time to that silliness.

A solution will come in the copyright debate, too. It might take a few tries, it might mean a bad law needs to be amended, but eventually we will wind up with something that allows, hopefully, for the most socially desirable outcome that balances a right for renumeration for labour with socially desirable consumer use.

Geist protests that he does the best he can, and doesn't agree with a lot of what's in his comment sections, but leaves it open in the spirit of the internet.  That may be so.  But the degree to which the Geistians have a hand in the future of copyright is directly inverse to the degree to which they continue to close ranks and insist they have all the answers, and everyone else is "the man."

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A note on comments on this post: this is a post on the semiotics of the debate. You want to critique what I have to say, go to town. But we're not arguing copyright in this thread, for the same reason that I closed comments the other day -- I'm not interested in having the same boring debate I've had a hundred times with people who simply aren't listening.

25 rumbles:

Jennifer Smith said...

In my perfect world, you and Geist would have been the main attractions on the 'Creative Economy' panel at the Canada 150 conference in Montreal. The fact that neither of you were even asked shows how clueless policy makers are on this subject. This is exactly the stuff we need to be hashing out in this country, but they can't even seem to frame the debate.

theBigSmoke said...

I share a lot of your frustrations on this debate (I believe most of what the average public considers "creator interest" is actually "distributor/broadcaster interest" and that's not the same thing at all) but let's not kid ourselves that the creator side can be equally entrenched. The difference is that there are so many more consumers than creators (and that industry brethren are less likely to spout off in public forums) - so the braying is more evident.

At it's core however, I think all creative communities do themselves a huge disservice by not being more publicly honest about how thin the margins on what we do actually are. The actuality of "success" is so radically different than most assume (even those within the industry). That's not unique to Canada - artists do that worldwide, because most creators learn from an early age to give the impression of success - no matter the actuality. It's anathema to that lifelong tendency (also depressing) to be the one to raise your hand and point out that from a strictly economics-and-security-per-hour-of-labour sense you would have been "better off" working a till at McDonalds.

I have a playwright friend who has found a good way to broach copyright discussions with high school students (especially the militant ones with strong beleifs about "freedom") is to back into it strictly via economics. He has them napkin calculate "what would be a fair amount for artists to earn from their (song, play, film... whatever) and then backs into the discussion about copyright based on what the actual - honest to god - numbers you're likely to see in Canada's creative communities. Most times the "fair minimum living wage" students come up with is *exponentially* higher than what you're actually likely to see as a writer, musician, actor, scultptor or producer - even a "successful" one.

As soon as you take it out of the abstract realm of "the man" most people are shocked to learn what the economic realities are. It's easy to demonize a side you think is having constant red carpet soirées - less so when you find out that "successful" middle-aged Canadian filmmaker you were reading about (and are now torrenting) is renting their apartment, can't afford a car, and was really excited their parents sent them $100 for their birthday.


It's impossible to even start to find common ground when the sides have very different beleifs about what their starting positions are.

DMc said...

Wow. What an amazing comment. Thanks for feeding my head today.

jimhenshaw said...

I really appreciated you entering the Lions Den on Geist's site to challenge the "Gimme's".

And while you may not have changed many minds (just as their arguments don't much resonate with Creatives) the debate made me realize that this needs to be reconfigured to the three-way debate it really is.

There's us who make, them who use and this huge middle that stands between us.

That middle has always controlled the delivery system as well as the manufacture of the copies that are sold in either tangible or digital form.

Most who create never receive anywhere near the full amount they are due for what the Middle delivers and sells.

Similarly, most who use feel pinched by what the Middle asks them to pay or endure to enjoy the work they have purchased from us.

And yet its the Middle that has developed the locks and stakes claim to endangered species status -- not to protect us, but like all good parasites to thrive while both we and the users bleed for them.

Those designing new models for copyright need to realize that digital has finally revealed the disparity in the system instead of making any of us continue to sit next to the pervy uncle.

DMc said...

I think you hit the nail on the head there Jim. Part of my ire with the dopiness of the copyright maximalists is that they're so muddleheaded they scotch any chance of a natural and forceful combination of creator & user groups, which allows the middlemen corps to come up the middle and paint the maximalists as unhinged.

Discredit & backroom -- is it any wonder who's got the ear of government?

Although if my lasting contribution to this debate is the Creepy Uncle metaphor, I'm going to be seriously fucking pissed off.

Stewart said...

Perhaps my ignorance of the hip-hop music business is showing, but I think your analogy can only go so far. In the end, isn't it Hip-Hop Music Distribution Companies (admittedly small at the beginning) paying royalties to other Music Distribution Companies for sampling their (assigned) IP? Or is there a statutory rate that any artist on the street can avail themselves of when releasing (let's say, self-publishing) their music.

e.e.nixon said...

I wish I were young enough to know what semiotics means; I'm afraid New Criticism is about where I left off. The little I've been able to figure out about what happened next looks kind of like a train wreck to me -- one of those rapid French trains.

That said, here's a question: could you please state, perhaps in point form, with minimum verbiage what it is you think are the solutions?

Frankly, while your posts are amusing and obviously heartfelt and informed, they also contain too many words with too much spin and attitude for me to glean a clear idea of where you're at. (I read a lot of stuff on line every day and I need you to help me by cutting down on the underbrush.)

I hope you'll agree that it *is* a very complicated problem with a lot players who have diverse and conflicting interests. But I read this post and the previous one and I come away confused about what you are *for* while you (very clearly) rail against Geist and his fans.

DMc said...

Quite a bit of attitude there yourself, mister. Thanks, but no thanks. What I'm for isn't difficult to find; I'm on the record in the Copyright Town hall, the WGC has readily available position papers &, as you've said, I've written extensively on this.

I think you're a bit disingenuous in your request; if you haven't gleaned it thus far, point form's not going to help you.

Glad you were amused though, at least that's something. Entertaining the smug is a particular gift of mine.

e.e.nixon said...

Dear, Dear... such thin skin. You talk about the failings of the... discourse among the comments on Geist's blog and here we have just the same behaviour.

I thought you were a writer. One who takes the needs of his readers seriously. I'm your reader. And I say you're making me work too hard to understand your points of view.

But if your above points, then I won't trouble you any further. You can continue to maunder and whine about the various and manifold stupidities that your find so difficult to tolerate.

DMc said...

So long! Thanks for trolling!

art.lopez said...

What do you say about the Fresno Rule? Which means if a certain show like "18 To Life" or "Living in Your Car" doesn't air on any of the local TV stations or cable or satellite here, then I gotta do what I gotta do, download. Gone are the days when stations acted like gatekeepers and if they didn't want you to see a show you had no other way to. How long do I have to wait, 6 mos., a year, 5 years to see these? DVD release is usually a year away. Maybe there will be simultaneous release of TV shows everywhere at a modest price. What do we do in this case?

DMc said...

That's a question of personal morality I suppose you have to decide for yourself. But it's also a different debate. The morality of downloading is not the subject at hand here.

art.lopez said...

OK, I'll try to fit it like this:

I "Gimme" because the producers of the 2 shows I listed above haven't (or won't?) sell their shows here. I'm sure a lot of people will say the same, that there are shows which may not air in certain cities/regions of the country.

What's the solution? Sell your show here at a fair price. But I'm sure it's more complicated than that. There are other places you can name where some shows aren't aired there as well. I just used that as an example.

So let me know if I get the point now, or if I missed something. You helped me to discover Charlie Brooker a while back. Now I have almost everything he's done, which is still not available where I live.

art.lopez said...

BTW, you just got featured on ZeroPaid.com The direct URL is too long but scroll down, you're there. What did you think?

DMc said...

It's not that I don't understand your point. But you're making an argument of special pleading. It's tangential to the subject at hand, and I choose not to engage. Easy peasy.

bstockton said...

One time on a pirate site I added a comment to a thread. I was arguing for some kind of scheme to pay royalties to songwriters, while everyone else was going on about how such things were impossible and stupid in this case (it had to do with buskers).

No one engaged me, but no one flamed me either. The comments were coming so fast and furious, so one even noticed that I was trying to change the debate. I was kind of relieved because life is too short for such arguing anyway.

My point is that it made me realise they don't really care about such things, but that it's also not their job to care about such things. They are consumers, and as such they are arguing the consumer side of the debate. Their job is to argue for freedom of choice and low, low prices. It's the creator's job to argue for fair compensation, and it's governments job to try and sort it all out.

Rim Peciulis said...

Denis....

I've followed your blog for the past year, and I just wanted to voice how disappointed I am in your trolling stance regarding people who read and support Geist.

You do raise some good points, but this gets lost via your incessant flaming and stereotyping. You beat your fists on your chest, and mock and ridicule people who express differing or diverse opinions.

It's a free country - you can do what you want. I simply do not think it does much to help with the complex situation at hand. As an observer, you are just as guilty of the various things that you attribute towards those you disagree with. It is precisely this type of attitude that makes negotiation so difficult.

Based on your previous reactions, I'd wager you will simply blow this off - possibly call me a troll or something. Alas.

DMc said...

Rim,
If you go back and click some of the links in this thread, you'll see it takes you to at least two or three other posts, where the subject of copyright was discussed on this blog. We're talking threads of 55 comments in some cases.

I've been on this case for a while. There's only so many times you can try to engage with people who don't care about your point of view, or don't let the fact that they don't understand economics get in the way of their opinion about driving people (further) into poverty.

The difference is that I'm informed about most of the consumer arguments for reduced copyright. I agree with some but not others.

You may see no difference between my position and the kind of talk on the Geist site; but many others do see the difference, which is why these posts are circulating. They have resonance.

You don't see it, that's up to you.

The_Lex said...

Don't know if you've heard or read Jaron Lanier's (major innovator for VR) manifesto You Are Not a Gadget, but it provides an interesting "exploration" into how the current model of the Internet encourages the dumbing down of the Internet and a mobocracy, of sorts. It also touches a little upon how the Internet and digitization has influenced the monetization of creative works.

In sum and in my opinion, I personally think that it's not just about money and cost. I believe this new frontier could possibly influence the shape of the human mind, the progress of culture and could also encourage the dumbing down and derivation of creative expression.

Unless there's some kind of reward for putting hard work into quality creative expression, I just see fanfic and derivative works out there. Maybe I'm being a little too fire and brimstone here, but I have to agree with Lanier that the mobocracy you're experiencing is a sign of things to come if the vocal mob gets its way 100% in this matter.

I look forward to seeing a good compromise come about that encourages quality creative expression, remunerating those who make quality creative expression & provide a reasonable price for the consumer. With mobocracies out there not listening to reason and evidence, though, my faith in human nature goes down on a regular basis.

Jason K said...

I think with respect to monetization, it's not the fact we haven't figured out "how" to do it yet, it's more "which model would work best."

It's hard to come up with any form of monetization when creative talent for the most part and those representing them are fighting against monetization, and future sources of income for writers like yourself. The "sue" everything that moves approach doesn't work, so let's start stripping internet connections from users? How exactly does that forward monetization and future income for creators? How is that proactive in this discussion? The monetization idea's are not actively being pursued by industry. If they were, than we would have "figured it out" by now, don't you think?

There's enough economic data out there to come up with a sustainable model of monetization. Maybe speaking and relying on economic sources that do not have a position in this debate is what's needed to push forward a better economic model. Of course the Multi-National corps would fight this, since they stand to loose a substantial amount market share if we go forward with monetization. This economic model would put almost everyone on a level playing field.

Choose your words carefully, if we don't go through monetization than things will probably get worse (already are in countries with reform without monetization) for our creative talent until we end up with some form of it, in my view anyway.

DMc said...

Jason, there's a great irony wrapped up in your "choose your words carefully" comment. The thesis of my writings on this subject have been that the "copyfight" side or "Geist's minions" have blown an opportunity by lazily lumping Multinationals & Artists together, when at best they are merely actors in this with some overlapping interests -- exactly the same as artists & consumers.

If you were looking for a natural coalition to actually be a force that could sway government to adopt a copyright bill that doesn't seem written by industry, you couldn't do better than consumer copyright advocates and artist creators together -- promoting both socially desirable consumer copyright & creator compensation.

But instead, the copyfight side does what you just did there, again and again -- conflate multinationals with content creators & use them interchangeably.

There are very few content creators who "resist" or "fight" suggestions on how to monetize; this is just pure falsehood. Every creator group has their proprosals. We have wanted to join that discussion vigorously, in fact. Where we don't see the uptake is on your side. Of course the Multinationals want to leverage their power to squeeze every drop out of the old system. They are not human scaled.

But it's way easier to throw us onto the rhetorical pile with the multinationals. In fact, as I've said before, Europe is already further down the road with alternate forms of compensation.

It's funny. Reading the trackbacks to this article and the one the other day, there are a whole lot of "rebuttals" and people taking issue with what I've said. But not one -- NOT ONE -- has spoken to, or absorbed, the central point in the fight.

Several have even tried to call me inconsistent for arguing for the consumer friendly forms I believe in, alongside my concerns that creators get paid.

Because see, in this fight, you have to choose a box. And the boxes have all been set up by the copyfans. And you're either with us or agin us.

Choose your words carefully indeed.

Jason K said...

"There are very few content creators who "resist" or "fight" suggestions on how to monetize; this is just pure falsehood."

Outside of the SAC and Levy proposals, how would you monetize the digital TV industry? What about the software industry? Newsprint? Where are these monetization proposals in the copyright consultations?

I am a creator myself, if you look at the debate before us as "who is with us, or against us" then as a creator you have rejected the idea of a middle ground, and for the creative side that's actually fairly self destructive in my point of view.

Both sides of this debate will be resistant to change no matter what form it comes in. This is why the independent voices (those studying this from the outside who have no position) remain an extremely important factor in providing "balance" and "middle ground". In order to come up with intelligent solutions, emotions need to subside. Going in and calling out Geist's followers and inflaming that emotion rather than presenting rational solutions to the table does nothing for the creative side of this debate.

As creators it's often hard for us to see past those emotions (a lot of the times inflamed by multinationals to serve their purposes), and rationalize the problems we face properly, because the creative arts are "emotional" arts". Each of us has been affected in different ways, but if you come in with strong statements with respect to "If you're not with us, than you are against us", well just take a look politically at the person who said this a few years ago in his State of the Union address and where his country is today, and how many lives that cost.

Hopefully, during the committee hearings with respect to this new copyright bill will present rational thinking on the part of industry. If it doesn't and the "You're either with us or against us" approach finds it's way to these committee hearings on either side, than creators will be in for yet another decade of downfall with respect to lost income and another round of copyright reform before we actually come up with rational solutions.

Like I said before, chose your words carefully. Less emotion, and more substance. I do agree with you on some points with respect to what your presenting as a creator, I just don't think the way your presenting it, offers up a logical discussion, and you are responding through emotions. You need to get rid of the emotions in order to rise above everyone else, including the multinationals and Geist to a certain extent.

DMc said...

Jason,

Outside of the suggestions that are already out there what are my suggestions? And then you go on and list three vastly different artistic outputs with different problems & issues, but I have to choose my words carefully now.

Got it. Thanks.

Pieter said...

Considering the ever expanding copyright, both in scope and duration, over the cause of the last century, lobbied for by extremists on the pro-copyright side, it is expected that as copyright intrudes on the every day activity of the common man, extremists will arise on the other side of the spectrum as well. It is important that we distantiate ourselves from both sides of the extremists in order to work towards a proper solution.

I also believe it's important within this discussion to make a clear distinction between what we want and what is technically feasible. I understand very well the artist's need to make money, but that should never be a reason to turn science into science fiction, by asking for that which is technically impossible. One of those is for TPM/DRM to "protect your work". It is simple science that such a thing is impossible, so arguing in favor of it from this point of view will not make your fans happy. No customer ever woke up one morning, and thought: "I wish they would make it harder for me to enjoy my legally bought books/cds/dvds/blu-ray disks.". No copyright infringement has ever been stopped by TPM/DRM, nor shall it. Pirates sidestep your TPM/DRM; the only people you're hurting are your fans, and eventually your own wallet by making a legal product less attractive compared to an illegal one.

So please let's stop placing our faith in TPM/DRM, DPI, filters, etc. They are not a solution to your problem! Let's set down, discuss the actual problems, and see if we can come up with solutions to them. While we do that, please let all parties tell the politicians that extremists on either side do not speak on our behalf!

DMc said...

I published this comment, even though I said that I wouldn't be approving comments that argued copyright. I did it because it's the perfect example of why any debate that's driven largely by internet is ultimately unworkable.

In all the posts I've ever made on copyright, I have stated how I am against long copyright terms, and against DRM locks, and the real problem here is that the copyright fans are so enamored of their arguments that they talk in a non-real world fantasy without considering the content creator side.

So now what we have is a guy who talks all about copyright terms, and DRM, (which you can find everywhere) and no consideration of the points I was actually making.

You can't win with this crowd. You just can't.